ciscokid

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE WALLEYES  OR PERCH COME INTO THE INNER HARBOR OF THE SMALL BOAT HARBOR IN THE FALL OCT. NOVEMBER. HOW ABOUT SMELT FISHING THROUGH THE ICE?  I WAS TOLD BY JASON OF THE DEC THEY HAVE BEEN NETTING WHITEFISH OUT OF BARCELONA THIS YEAR. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW, WHERE OR WHERE TO CATCH THEM ON L. ERIE? TIGHT LINES. GO BILLS!!!!

THX JUST FISHN, I HAVE MADE SEVERAL TRIPS TO THE CATT FROM LEROY NY ONLY TO FIND OUT IT'S TOO ROUGH TO LAUNCH. I WISH THERE WAS A WEBCAM FOR THE SMALL BOAT HARBOR. YOU WOULD THINK THE LARGE NUMBER OF BOATS THAT LAUNCHING OUT OF THERE WOULD JUSTIFY ONE! GOOD LUCK TODAY. GO BILLS!!!!

I NO BELIEVE IN REINCARNATION, HINDUS AND BUDDHISTS DO. SEAGULLS MOSTLY EAT DEAD FISH BUT IF YOU SPREAD FRENCH FRIES IN YOUR DRIVEWAY THEY WILL COME!!! RESPECT THEM HAVE KETCHUP AVAILABLE. 

YES AND A WHOLE LOT MORE MESSY CLEANING AND FUN. YET HOW MAN FISH CAN A PERSON EAT BEFORE THEY TURN INTO A SEAGULL? 

I KILLED THE PERCH ON CANANDAIGUA LAKE 3 WEEKS AGO WITH FATHEADS HAVE CAUGHT TONS OF CRAPPIES WITH THEM TOO. THAT EXACT TUBE JIG IS MY FAVORITE 4 BLUEGILLS DRESSED WITH SPIKES . THANKS AGAIN FOR THE TIP MUCH APPRECIATED!! 

Will those Lake Erie perch hit anything but minnows & will fatheads work?  WILL spikes or mealworms ect. Work? Thx

THX! 

THX FOR THE INFO NICE PICTURES VERY DETAILED REPORT MUCH APPRECIATED. I LEARNED SOMETHING I NEVER WOULD HAVE GUESSED THAT X AMOUNT OF WALLEYES STAY THAT SHALLOW ALL SUMMER. WE USUALLY START OUT OF THE SMALL BOAT HABOR AND 50% OF THE TIME  BY MID AUGUST OR EARLIER WE ARE MAKING THE MOVE TO BARCELONA OR THE CATT FISHING 60' TO 80' MOSTLY TROLLING BOTTOM BOUNCERS. YOUR IS THE FIRST REPORT I'VE SEEN WITH THIS KIND OF STRATEGIC INFO EVER VERY COOL. WE DID HAVE A COUPLE OF TRIPS A FEW YEARS AGO THAT THE 1ST TIME  WE WENT OUT  WE STARTED DEEP WITH POOR RESULTS SO WE STATED TO TROLL IN AND GOT A FEW IN 60' THEN GOT INTO 45' AND WOW THEY WERE STACKED IN THERE. I GUESS WHEN I GO FISHING AGAIN I'LL JUST LOOK FOR THE BOAT CLOSEST TO SHORE JIGGING OR DRIFTING AND IT WILL PROBABLY BE YOU. IN THE MEANTIME MY BUDDY AND I ARE DRIVING OUT TO COLORADO FOR A GUIDED ELK HUNT. STAY HEALTHY, GOOD FISHING TIGHT LINES. 

29 minutes ago, kingfisher72 said:

Don't feel like you have to run that far out on Erie if you are in a smaller boat. Walleye are not trout/salmon. They will sit and feed in warmer water if there is food there. We never fished deeper than 40 fow all summer and we caught fish consistently out of all three of the westernmost ports in NY with many limits.  Even with surface temps approaching 80 degrees at times. 

Not all the big females go deep...

YOU LOOK LIKE YOU JIG FOR THEM IS THAT CORRECT?

GREAT JOB BUT IT MUST HAVE BEEN RUFF?

JIMDSKI YOU ARE QUITE CORRECT THERE IS A DEAD ZONE IN LAKE ERIE IT OCCURS MOSTLY IN THE CENTRAL BASIN BECAUSE OF THE IDEAL WATER DEPTH. THE WESTERN BASIN IS TO SHALLOW THE EASTERN BASIN  IS TO DEEP. READ THE LINK BELOW IT'S AN EXCELLENT ARTICLE TITLED "WHAT THE HECK IS LAKE ERIE'S DEAD ZONE?" THE SPARROW AND I DID SEE SOME SORT OF BAIT FISH ON THE BOTTOM SO I DON'T BELIEVE A DEAD ZONE EXISTED OR WAS THE ISSUE. THX FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION IT MADE ME RESEARCH THE DEAD ZONE. I BET IT DOES INFLUENCE THE MOVEMENT OF WALLEYES WEST TO EAST. 

http://www.rockthelake.com/buzz/2017/11/heck-lake-eries-dead-zone/

JUST MY 2 CENTS ALL FISH HAVE  A PREFERRED WATER TEMPERATURE IF AVAILABLE ESPECIALLY WALLEYE, SALMONIDS AND TROUT AS FISH ARE COLD BLOODED.  THEY WILL SEEK OUT THAT PREFERRED  TEMPERATURE WHENEVER AVAILABLE.  HOWEVER WHEN THE LAKE TURNS OVER THE TEMPERATURE IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME TOP TO BOTTOM; WATER IN THE WINTER  IS VERY COLD PRETTY MUCH TOP TO BOTTOM YET WALLEYES ARE STILL CAUGHT NEAR THE BOTTOM PERCH TOO EVEN IF SLIGHTLY SUSPENDED; WITH MY LIMITED UNDERSTANDING I BELIEVE THAT COLD WATER IS MORE DENSE AND SINKS WHILE WARM WATER WATER EITHER RISES OR IS FORCED UP. ACTUALLY COLD WATER HOLDS OXYGEN BETTER THAN WARM WATER. I THINK THAT'S WHY TROUT NEED COLD WATER STREAMS AND LAKES. GUYS/GALS THAT FISH LAKE  ONTARIO FOR TROUT AND SALMON ARE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT TEMPERATURES AND THERMOCLINES AND WOULD APPRECIATE THEIR 2 CENTS. I BELIEVE IF THERE IS A THERMOCLINE ON ERIE THE WALLEYES WILL BE ABOVE IN THE WARMER WATER. I BELIEVE I SAW A THERMOCLINE IN ERIE ON FRIDAY AT 50 FT. THAT WHY I BELIEVE THE EYES WERE MOSTLY SUSPENDED AT 45 FT OVER DEEP WATER. THERE WERE NORTH NE WINDS ALL WEEK & THE DEC GUY WHOSE CREW ONLY STUDIES L ERIE TOLD ME ON FRIDAY BY PHONE WHILE WE WERE FISHING THAT COLD WATER HAD BEEN DRIVEN INTO SHALLOW WATER AND THE PREVIOUS THERMOCLINE WAS BROKEN. PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG I AM ONLY ADDING MY 2 CENTS  TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SAID & WOULD APPRECIATE ANYONE ADDING ANY OF THEIR PERSONAL EXPERTISE.  i  KNOW A LOT ABOUT FISHN  BUT ALWAYS NEED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT CATCHING.  

PS: I AM NOT SHOUTING. THIS IS SHOUTING!!!!! KIDS MAKE ME LAUGH THEY DON'T HAVE OLD EYES YET. 

1 minute ago, ciscokid said:

Seriously that's the best I have ever done with bb'ers and eyes suspended over deep water 45 to 50 ft down. So I am no expert and I prefer fish closer to the bottom and slightly suspended but fish is where you find em; stable weather always helps.  Wind out of the west the fish bite the best.  

9 minutes ago, Stillwater said:

That's great. Thanks for sharing. I have used heavy bouncers on St. Lawrence River for eyes. Maybe I will try it on Erie sometime. Dipsies are less weight and resistance when fighting a fish and have the dive depth charts. I think the water temp was funny on Friday the more I hear.

THAT'S CORRECT THE WATER TEMP FROM THE NE WINDS PUSHED IN COLD WATER. DEC GUY TOLD ME PERCH WERE PUSHED INTO THEIR NETS AT 36 FEET ALMOST UNHEARD OF. WE COULD SEE A THERMOCLINE AT 50 FT. YES DIPSY'S WORK I'VE USED THEM BUT MY SYSTEM GIVE ME MORE DEPTH CONTROL WHEN BOUNCING NEAR THE BOTTOM WITH LESS LINE OUT NORMALLY. THE FISH WILL TELL YOU IF YOUR DOING IT RIGHT! IF IT WORKS AND CATCHING FISH USE IT. DIPSY'S COULD BE BETTER FOR THOSE FISH SUSPENDED OVER DEEP WATER. WHERE DID YOU GET THE DIPSY DIVER CHARTS FROM?

I have sinkers up to 8 oz but had 5 & 6 oz on that day, rods go into rod holder troll and wait for bite. i can troll 4 to 5 rods out of my boat usually 4. The rule of thumb is 1 oz for every 10 ft of depth but you can troll  shallower or 10  ft or so deeper extra line and trolling speed matter.. Even when we fished for suspended fish we kept the 5 & 6 oz sinkers on and used our line counters.

STILLWATER WE STARTED AT 7:30 AM QUIT AT 5  PM SPENT A GOOD SHARE OF THE MORNING CHASING MARKS  AROUND THE PACK ON THE BOTTOM THAT WOULDN'T BITE. EVERYTHING WE DID WAS TROLLING THAT'S HOW I ROLL WITH BB'ERS AND MY HONDA 9.9; BUT LATER WE SWITCHED TO THE ELECTRIC MOTOR ONLY WHEN WE WENT DEEP THX TO THE SPARROW SO WE COULD GET INTO THE STEALTH MODE ON THE SUSPENDED FISH. IT WAS SPOTTY MOSTLY IN THE AFTERNOON THE DEEPER WE WENT THE MORE FISH AND BAIT WE SAW. HOWEVER THERE WERE QUITE A FEW FISH THAT WOULD NOT BITE, MORE NONE BITERS THAN BITERS. A COUPLE OF TIMES WE GOT SEVERAL FISH PUT DOWN WAYPOINTS AND WORKED THEM TO NO AVAIL. AT THE END OF THE DAY WITH THE LAKE TO OURSELVES NO REAL CHOP WE TROLLED FOR 1 1/2 HRS W/O A BITE SO WE CALLED IT A FINE BUT CHALLENGING DAY. A FRIEND OF MINE'S BROTHER WENT OUT ON SAT. BUT ONLY CAUGHT 1 EYE. HE ALSO WENT DEEP. HE ALSO SAID NO ONE DID GOOD ON SAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE BUT IT WAS TRUE FOR HIM. HOPE THIS HELPS YOU.

I MEANT TO SAY HOW WAS THE FISHING OUT OF THE CATT ON SATURDAY.  DUH I AM GETTING OLD. LOL. 

HOW WAS THE FISHING OUT OF THE CATT ON SUNDAY ANYONE? 

THE CATT POSTED ON BUFFALO REPORT BY MISTAKE.

I GOT TO FISH WITH J. SPARROW OUT OF THE CATT RETURNING THE FAVOR OF FISH OUT OF HIS BOAT HIS WAY. I WAS GOING TO SHOW THE SPARROW HOW TO BOTTOM BOUNCE THE KISS WAY.  (KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID WAY) SO WE WENT TO 75 FT PUT THE N WIND AT OUR TAIL AND STARTED GOING SHALLOWER TRYING TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE EYES. GUESS WHAT NO BITES IN 2 HOURS. OH NO I KNEW IT MIGHT BE TUFF BUT TUFF AS NAILS YIKES EMBARRASSIUNG. HOWEVER I HAD MENTIONED TO SPARROW DON'T BE AFRAID TO MAKE SUGGESTIIONS SO HE DID TG!!!  OUT TO DEEPER WATER WE WENT. LOOK AT THE FF'ER THERE WERE SUSPENDED EYES AND BAIT BUT I  ONLY HAD BOTTOM BOUNCERS WITH WORM HARNESSES AND BIG SINKERS WERE WE GOING TO BONK THEM ON THE HEAD AND NET THEM? SPARROW SUGGESTED WE ONLY WE ONLY LOWER OUR BB'ERS FARENOUGH TO FIND THE STRIKE ZONEOF THE ELUSIVE EYES.  SHORTLY THERE AFTER BANG A BITE SPARROW SAYS FISH ONOMG IT WORKS!!!  THERE WASGOLD IN THE NET GOLD IN THE BOX GOLD IN THE FRYING PAN.  THE FISHING WASN'T FAST AND FURIOUS BUT WE GOT 8. THE KID HAD 3 ON THAT I LOST PLUS WE BOTH MISSED SOME HITS. SO I LEARNEDA LOT BECAUSE I GOT A LOT TO LEARN. IF THE FISH AREN'T SHALLOW GO DEEP AND 2 AGAINST 1 WORKS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BONK EM ON THE HEAD OR SET OFF DEPTH CHARGES WHEN THE FISH ARE DEEP  AND SUSPENDED!!! THANKS  J. SPARROW FOR YOUR EXPERTISE, SUGGESTIONS AND COMRADERY. WE'LL DO AGAIN SOMETIME THE LORD WILLING AND THE CREEK DON'T RISE! 

I GOT TO FISH WITH J. SPARROW YESTERDAY OUT OF CATT RETURNING THE FAVOR OF FISHING OUT OF HIS BOAT HIS WAY.  I WAS GOING TO SHOW THE SPARROW HOW TO BOTTOM BOUNCE THE KISS WAY. ( KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID WAY.) SO WE WENT TO 75 FT PUT THE N WIND AT OUR TAIL AND STARTED GOING SHALLOWER TRYING TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE EYES. GUESS WHAT NO BITES IN 2 HRS.  OH NO I KNEW IT MIGHT BE TUFF BUT TUFF AS NAILS YIKES EMBARRASSING. HOWEVER I HAD MENTIONED TO SPARROW DON'T BE AFRAID TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS SO HE DID TG!!! OUT TO DEEPER WATER WE WENT. LOOK AT THE FF'ER THERE WERE SUSPENDED EYES AND BAIT  BUT I ONLY HAD  BOTTOM BOUNCER'S  WITH WORM HARNESSES AND BIG SINKERS WERE WE GOING TO BONK EM ON THE HEAD THEN NET THEM? SPARROW SUGGESTS WE ONLY LOWER OUR BB'ERS  FAR ENOUGH TO FIND THE STRIKE ZONE OF THE ELUSIVE EYES. SHORTLY THERE AFTER BANG A BITE SPARROW SAYS FISH ON OMG IT WORKS!!! THERE WAS GOLD IN THE NET IN THE BOX IN THE FRYING PAN. THE FISHING WASN'T FAST AND FURIOUS BUT WE GOT 8.  THE KID HAD 3 ON THAT I LOST PLUS WE BOTH MISSED SOME HITS. SO I LEARNED A LOT BECAUSE I GOT A LOT TO LEARN.  IF FISH AREN'T SHALLOW GO DEEP AND 2 AGAINST 1 WORKS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BONK EM ON THE HEAD OR SET OFF DEPTH CHARGES WHEN THE FISH ARE DEEP AND SUSPENDED!!!  THANKS J. SPARROW FOR YOUR EXPERTISE, SUGGESTIONS AND COMRADERY.  WE'LL DO IT AGAIN SOMETIME LORD WILLING AND THE CREEK DON'T RISE! 

Same to you good luck!

YEP I FEEL THE SAME WAY FISHING WITH J SPARROW MY BOAT ON FRIDAY. NORTH NE WINDS ALL WEEK. DECENT WIND ON THURSDAY TO STIR THEM UP.  HOWEVER WE CAN'T CATCH THEM FROM THE COUCH. SO HI HO HI HO A FISHN WE WILL GO.  I KNOW OF TWO OTHER BOATS WITH GUYS OUT THERE THAT I KNOW  SO WE'LL SURROUND THEM. MAYBE? DON'T I WISH.

Just now, Stillwater said:

Nice jobs J. Sparrow and backinthegame! Hope the next couple days don't stir it up too much. Hoping for a Friday outing.

FISH FRY FRIDAY THAT'S THE DAY WHEN THE GREASE GETS HOT THE WALLEYES SAY GOLDEN BROWN THAT'S THE WAY!!! HOME FRIED POTATOES  ALL THE WAY.