You can find 4 oz and up bottom bouncers online. Jannsnetcraft.com is an example. I too prefer the braid, 10lb power pro works for me. I run the braid to my bouncer, than run a flourcarbon worm harness of typically 4' to 5'. Some of my buddies go shorter. The linecountesr aren't necessary but can help you stay consistent, especially if you have friends on the boat. Also they are nice to have for other methods of fishing. I run 7' casting rods off the sides and any length that I can center off the back of the boat.